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-Ripple

Tää kuuluisi varmaa kauppapaikkaan eikä yleiseen
Onko tää siltä polakkifirmalta jonka m05 voi ostaa egayst?

As far as I know, the original M/05 pattern is still protected by law in Finland and selling them without authorization of the Finnish Defense Forces is a crime?
Maybe it shouldn't be done in a public forum where the MPs immediately know, which door to knock to bust the buyer?

S-23 kirjoitti: where the MPs immediately know, which door to knock to bust the buyer?

Ain't gonna happen
Army really doesn't give a flying fuck if somebody owns pirated copy of their m05 uniform. REAL issue is another story. Did we have a story in Ilta lehti? IIRC somebody tried to sell issued m91 uniform and got busted.
Ruskies already copied m05 desing and nobody cared.

The Russian Yeger-pattern is a slight variation of the M05, looks quite same but the colors are little different.

The uniforms in question will be easily distinguished from the issued ones by their different cut and fabric, but I still would'nt recommend wearing them in public. I don't see how the army would get interested if a few airsofters or reservists privately bought import copies, no harm done to them. Different thing if some Finnish company that they could easily take legal action against tried to make profit manufacturing stuff in the M05 pattern.

Well, the Russian copy let to quite some international incident. This was top news for weeks in any defense news agency and all defense blogs . You can still find some of this with Google .

Okei, Selvennetäänpä muutama asia...
[Ok, lets straighten up few things right away..]

mysli kirjoitti:Tää kuuluisi varmaa kauppapaikkaan eikä yleiseen

Voi olla, laitoin kuitenkin tänne koska kuten otsikko vihjaa, tarkoitus olisi aluksi kartoittaa sitä onko puvuille edes kysyntää ennenkuin aletaan sen vakavemmin asiaan tarttua. Mutta modet osaa varmastikkin sitten siirtää aiheen oikeaan osoitteeseen mikäli se on tarpeen, eikö jees?

As far as I know, the original M/05 pattern is still protected by law in Finland and selling them without authorization of the Finnish Defense Forces is a crime? Maybe it shouldn't be done in a public forum where the MPs immediately know, which door to knock to bust the buyer?

Well, you have a point there. But after all, we are talking about a copy uniform, not a real issue uniform. And i guess we shouldn't even be talking about M05-uniform, becouse this uniform i'm presenting to you has a completely different kind of cutting, and as far as i have understood, the pattern isn't a perfect M05-pattern, just something similar. So if the Finnish Defense Forces really wants to make a hullabaloo about this (which i doubt), i wont admit, or agree that i have made a crime here, becouse this uniform i'm presenting is not the Finnish M05 uniform, it's a copy Combat uniform, just like any other on the market, just with similar pattern that the Finnish Defense Forces are using.

I would also like to remind all of you, that at this point, nobody has a right to blame me about anything, i just presented this product to you, who says i'm the one who's going to be importing and selling these awesome uniforms, right?

But let's cut the bullshit now and get back to business. So is there anyone here who would like to have one of these uniforms, or am i just wasting my time?

What type of fabric is used and where is it made?

I happen to have this uniform at home. It's ripstop fabric, 95% cotton 5% polyester. The uniform is made in Poland by Miwomilitary. The uniform is very well made in general.

About the M/05 law protection. It only affects the producers and resellers in Finland. If the uniform is made in other country, even in Europe, it does not have any affect at all. Also it protectes only the official M/05 camo, nothing more. So as a private citicen, you can import such a M/05 rip-off to Finland with no problems. Like KK-pilot said, it may be wise not to wear that uniform in public though. In other hand, I have heard rumors people ordering M/05 abroad and using those in reservist/maakuntajoukko trainings with no problem. No ordinary FDF officer has no clue about these things, so no problems there.

Well, this is probably mainly a copyright issue. To my information, the M/05 pattern is patent protected by the Finnish Government so even if the production in another country might be legal, the import isn't - unfortunately. It's basically the same like if you buy a Gucci or Nike fake from China on eBay. If you are unlucky and Tulli finds it, they seize the package and you get fined for importing illegal products. At least from Germany, I also know of cases where people which owned such copies were visited by the police and the products seized. But in that cases, the police has been tipped off.
I have to admit, that I would be very interested in the uniform as the pattern works really well here (maybe because it was designed for FIN? ) and as you say, the quality is good, but I would still be a bit worried about the possible consequences. But I obviously have a bit more to loose because of my business .

Well, products come from Poland, so they won't go trough customs, so getting caught would be really bad luck. But in theory, you couldn't order anything Chinese made for example from ebaybanned or rsov, because all of their products are copys from the original products and in that sense, illegal. But I suspect the M/05 cnockout would cause lot more fuss and älämölö than some random Chinese copy of LaRue aimpoin mount Well, at least in Finland.

The camo works great in summer time, it is allmost perfect. It could be more lighter, so I just have to wear it out little more. It would be nice to have some kind of M/05 hat or helmet cover (I prefer both), but I don't have any idea if the Miwomilitary could produce those. Maybe someone who knows them, could ask them and share the information with us. I'm, for one, very interested in hat/boonie/helmet cover (prefer mich/ach type cover with velcro to attach it to a helmet).

Everything that comes from abroad goes through customs for standard drug screenings, counterfeit searches and such. Usually they are x-rayed but they do open random packets and inspect the contents in european packets. Packets from outside europe are almost always opened when you go and pick it up from the customs office. In addition you can't patent the shape or features a piece of clothing has, you can only patent fabrics, patterns(to a certain extent), trademarks etc. so pants that resemble cryes pants but are of different color or the camo pattern is different(don't know the limit how different it has to be) they aren't considered counterfeits. The same thing can be seen in the marine marpat vs. commercial marpat thing.

And since most chinese knock-offs that you see here don't have real trademarks or other identifiers, the customs don't really care.

The only problem i see is the aforementioned suits patterns resemblence to the real M05 pattern, unless it's advertised as an M05 pattern i doubt the customs gives it any special attention even if they find it unless they know there's a knock-off being sold. And i think the patent applies to entire EU and most of the world(poland included).

About commercial digital woodland/dessert vs. MARPAT:
The (at least U.S.) manufacturers of gear have checked the pattern with the USMC for two reasons.
1.) They don't want to get in trouble
2.) (much more important) Concerning the gear they want to make sure that Marines are allowed to use it

About patents:
True with one little exception. You in fact can patent special features of clothes like integrated torniquets or other special functional features. Of course, they must be really innovative, otherwise you will not get the patent.
But besides from patents there is also the general design copyright. This is what mostly applies to counterfeits of quality clothing and products. Producing and trafficking garment or any other products which resembles the original so closely that the customer or the public can mistake it for the original is a violation of the design intellectual property. Without this, all fashion designers would have to patent all new drafts every season and this would not work.
This design copyright is currently a subject of major discussion on EU-level because e.g. car manufacturers use it to prevent third-party manufacturers from producing any visible spare-parts like fenders and such. Also, luxury manufacturers use this to prevent people from reselling their legally bought original products e.g. on eBay. Yes, it's right, if you try to sell e.g. an original Gucci women's handbag which you legally bought, on eBay, Gucci will sue you because they say, they have the copryright and the right to decide who can publically sell their stuff...

It would be nice to have some kind of M/05 hat or helmet cover (I prefer both), but I don't have any idea if the Miwomilitary could produce those. Maybe someone who knows them, could ask them and share the information with us. I'm, for one, very interested in hat/boonie/helmet cover (prefer mich/ach type cover with velcro to attach it to a helmet).

Tällä hetkellä tuolla kuosilla ei ole saatavilla kuin pukuja, mutta mahdollisesti lähitulevaisuudessa saadaan myös boonieta sekä kypäränpäällisiä (aluksi ainakin MICH 2000 ja PASGT).

-Ripple

Tietenkin tässä on vähän epäselvää tulevatko nämä jonkun suomalaisen yrityksen kautta vai jonkun yksityisen kimppatilauksena. Ketju siirtyy jokatapauksessa kimppatilauksiin.

Onko jollain kontakteja edelleen tuonne Miwon suuntaan? Mikä mahtaa olla noiden päähineiden tilanne? Tuleeko ikuna vai ei?

Kai noita on jo aitona tavaranakin jo jaettu aika laajasti käyttöön. Voi olla siis suurin hinku laantunut. Mutta mullekin kelpais yks lisä boonie.

Suomessahan mallisuoja M/05 kuviolle loppuu vasta 2011. Sen jälkeen jääpi nähtäväksi uusivatko mallisuojan vai tuleeko yleismyyntiin.
Itseltänikin tuo jo löytyy, ja jos boonieta ja/tai kypärähuppua saa nykyisin, niin sellaisen voisin haluta.

onko uusia tilauksia tulossa?

newstb kirjoitti:onko uusia tilauksia tulossa?

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-Ripple